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to beat president obama. a look at the war in afghanistan. now the longest war. how do we get out? does obama's policy differ from president bush's and what is the effect for generations to come? joe and mika and willie join in the conversation later this hour. we begin with the debt crisis. they are trying to make a deal on the deficit. houses of congress are rolling out separate compromises to safe off a default. harry reid is meeting with mitch mcconnell to craft a solution to appeal to both parties. according to reports, this would do the following. it would allow the debt ceiling to be raised three times for a total of $2.5 trillion. in exchange, some $1.5 trillion in spending cuts would be enacted. the plan would be established to identify new deficit cuts. proposal, already, getting a lukewarm response from the fellow republicans. among them, the freshman snar mark arubio and tom coburn. take a listen. >> it gives the president the ability to raise the debt limit. the debt limit isn't the problem. the problem is the debt. the plan, as outlined to me isn't a credible solution. >>
place by the end of the week. assassination in afghanistan. president karzai's brother a key political power broker gunned down by his own bodyguard. what does it mean for nato forces in the south? a new focus on the back mab campaign. this time it's about her husband. his clinic under the microscope for using a controversial therapy to turn gay men straight. >>> and good day, ern. i'm savannah guthrie in for andrea mitchell today. it is back to the bargaining table for congressional leaders this afternoon three weeks from today to the debt ceiling deadline. both sides say they want a deal, but there's been in compromise or breakthrough yet. we go to kristen welker at the white house. we know officials are meeting this afternoon. the president making some news about what might happen if the debt ceiling is not raised in early august. >> that's right. president obama in an interview earlier today was asked whether the united states would have enough money to continue paying its social security checks on august 3rd if a deal isn't reached over the debt ceiling on august 2nd, wh
afghanistan, the paper reports the possible halt of $800 million in assistance and equipment. that could have an effect on u.s. troops in afghanistan. the report says the aid could resume if pakistan takes tougher action against the taliban as well as al qaeda. meanwhile, secretary panetta told reporters on the plane it's time to focus on defeating al qaeda once and for all. >> i think we had undermined their ablthd to conduct 9/11-type attacks. we had them on the run. >> secretary panetta met with american military officials. atia abawi is in afghanistan. good morning. bring us up to date. >> good morning. panetta's very first trip as secretary of defense to afghanistan, before he landed he brought up the situation with al qaeda. he said, quote, the strategic defeat of al qaeda is within reach. this is a time to go after him, especially after bin laden. let's listen to what he had to say. >> now is the moment following what happened with bin laden, to put maximum pressure on them because i do believe that, if we continue this effort, that we can really cripple al qaeda. >> panetta said that,
, defense secretary leon panetta is in afghanistan. panetta is meeting with american military leaders and afghan officials. nbc's atia abawi is in kabul this morning. bring us up to speed on what leon panetta is saying that al qaeda is basically on the run and close to being completely stamped out. >> reporter: good morning, thomas. the new secretary of defense's first trip as the defense secretary here in afghanistan, prior to arriving he talked to reporters on the plane about how he feels alg al qaeda is going right now, the war against terror. he says the strategic defeat of al qaeda is within reach, primarily pointing the the death of bin laden, the information they got from the compound including names of different key al qaeda leaders. he says this is the time to actually end the war with al qaeda. let's listen to what he had to say. >> now is the moment following what happened with bin laden, to put maximum pressure on them because i do believe that, if we continue this effort, that we can really cripple al qaeda. >> reporter: al qaeda aside, leon panetta arrived in afghanistan
on jobs in baghdad, kabul, kandahar, in other parts of the iraq and afghanistan. and the irony of course is that we are being told that we are in this terrible crisis, when the republicans brought out a military bill that increased the military by $17 billion, gives more money to iraq and afghanistan, and i have to say i am very nervous that the president might agree to keep troops in iraq next year, which is longer than george bush wanted to keep them there. so, yeah, i think we can in the short-term save a lot of money by bringing the troops home with no negative job impact. but to get back to your question, what mr. bernanke said correctly is, yes, over the long-term, you should have a plan for deficit reduction from both higher taxes in my judgment and spending cuts. but in the short-term, if you were to do that, you would slow down the recovery. and that's why it's a timing issue. >> in terms of what you just said there about defense cuts, and what might be possible in this congress, i feel like the things that i have heard from republicans that seem like they have sort of silver li
the threat of default or downgrade. >> ron insana there. meanwhile, u.s. troops in afghanistan are worried they may not get paid because of this debt showdown in washington. gener good saturday morning to you, atia. so what was this meeting with the troops like? >> reporter: good morning, alex. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mullen, made his way down to the southern part of afghanistan, the most volatile part in the country. his number one question from the soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines wasn't necessarily about the military strategy but it was, will we get paid. and his response was, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i have confidence that at some point in time whatever compensation you are owed you will be given. obviously the americans here in afghanistan, very worried about what's going on in washington. many of these men and women haven't seen their families for several months. many won't see them for a full year and they're wondering if those family members are going to be getting those paychecks. they're risking their lives here in afghani
and afghanistan to the relatives of the 2005 london transit bombings as well as the royal family. the editor has been arrested. david cameron has opened a public inquiry. for the first time in over a month, the yemen president spoke out. he's gone over eight operations. his complexion was darker, hands and arms covered with bandages. facial hair was gone. he made no mention of when he would return to yemen and welcomes power sharing as long as it is within the country's constitutional frame work. diplomats said there was a slim chance he would return. tell me what this means and your reaction to what you saw in terms of his appearance. >> it was bizarre. it's part of a larger power. look at yemen and egypt. what you see are prolonged stalemates and situation that is looked helpful. the middle east is in for a long, hot summer. a difficult winter and beyond. this is not going to be anything like a quick move to democracy and these countries. you can have large, ungoverned spaces where terrorists move in. it's a challenge for the united states. >> what is the largest threat to our national securit
still in iraq and afghanistan, he has a rough road ahead. he told military families they are on the top of his agenda. >>> steven colbert started a superpac. it's part of a spoof on campaign finance laws but the hearing is real. he can use his show to produce ads. >> i'm reminded as we stand here of the pilgrims who on this very spot, but in massachusetts, filed their papers to form clement pack, to be free of the tyranny of king george who refused to allow a single corporate on u.s. presidential elections. >> i don't remember that from my history book. today in washington, republicans are taking things personally. hitting back at the president who laid into them for planning to go home next week on break instead of working on a budget deal. >> so maybe if he would take a valume and come down and talk, it might be helpful. >> it's the kind of language you expect from a leader of a third world country, not the president of the united states. >> frankly, he should be embarrassed. unfortunately, the threshold of embarrassment here in washington is different than the rest of the world. >> i
. two wars in iraq and afghanistan, that if we were to draw down earlier for example in afghanistan, would deal with long-term debt issues. so let's put those things on the table. corporate loopholes, instead of just turning to the piggy bank of social security and medicare. >> what about medicaid? would you cut that? >> the challenge that we have for medicaid is that we want to make sure that we don't simply shift the burden onto the states, which really can't afford that right now. again the conversations about these entitlement programs, while i find, you know, might be important for us to engage in, we're conflating apples and oranges when it comes to lifting our debt ceiling and dealing with the major causal factors with our long-term debt. >> chris matthews plays "hardball" 5:00 and 7:00 eastern only on msnbc. the place for politics. >>> well, the hits keep on coming for rupert murdoch's embattled media empire. amid allegations that reporters at two of his other english newspapers, the "sun" and sunday "times," hacked into the bank account, legal files and medical records of f
of afghanistan and iraq. >> the republicans we have on the show say they are open to the loophole cuts. are they? >> tom coburn is. he provides a lot of cover. >> i was wondering what mike was quoting. how many pages can you get read in the seventh inning stretch? >> it's in between innings. it's the entire game. >> the tough thing for president obama, he's going to say he will extend the deadline, if it looks like a deal is coming together. this, to me, is the difficult part. if all he had to deal with was the senate, i have no doubt in the next week you would have a deal that would work. the house is difficult. he's going to need to know from nancy pelosi and john boehner the votes are in place. today, not even close to that. >> you will lose 100, maybe 120 republicans right out. if you get most of the democratic caucus and boehner pulls in 100 republicans, it gets done. it's up to the democrats. i think boehner can get 100 republicans. can pelosi get 120 democrats? >> right. okay. we are going to get to bill karins on the heat in a minute. before we go, new developments in the hacking scandal
revenue in terms of what we are spending. $120 billion alone in afghanistan. alone. that doesn't include aid. 47, 000 troops still in iraq and we have tax cuts in place. >> the united states is strategically overextended worldwide. what are we doing borrowing money from japan and europe and persian gulf. we are overextended. >> exactly, pat. >> the country is overextended. you can't start fighting wars and not raise the revenue. >> maybe you ought to end the war. >> here we go. we have to do a little bit of everything. >> let's do one plan. we talk about both sides in broad strokes. walk us through what is actually inside the deficit reduction plan on each side. >> fair enough. >> simpson sets the standard. they came out with $4 trillion in deficit reduction. the paul ryan plan got about the same amount of deficit reduction, $4 trillion. the obama plan is $2.5 trillion of deficit reduction. the biden talks that have been going on are at zero, really, but they are talking $1 trillion spending cuts, maybe. by the way, even if the plan were adopted, we have $6 trillion more debt ten years f
as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff discovered for himself this weekend. >>> here in southern afghanistan, soldiers and marines are dodging bullets. when they had a chance to throw questions at the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, their number one concern was the ongoing debate back home over the debt ceiling. >> the checkbook is not unlimited. >> they told soldiers if the talks fail they have to fight, but they may not get paid. >> there plenty of you living paycheck to paycheck. if paychecks were to stop it can have a devastating impact and a devastating impact pretty quickly. >> mullen told marines given the state of the u.s. economy, all the services they said cut back in the size of the force and maybe even military benefits. >> we will have to tighten our belt and prioritize and make hard decisions. >> in the middle of a war zone like many americans, these service members are worried about their jobs and asking what the heck is going on back in washington? >> here's a look at today's schedule. the senate will be in at sdmoon the vote will be set for 1:00 p.m. we will bring you
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/11. that was the argument that was being made that we had to do all of these other things and got into afghanistan and iraq. so there's no -- there's no argument from me or any republican. in fact, most republicans while you saw the losses in '06 and '08 came from those very republican whose stopped supporting the party, because it moved away from its conservative fiscal principles with respect to spending, by spending so much money. that's been the crust of this whole argument that helped form the tea party. the tea party folks by the way, did not start in 2009. >> right. that's my point. >> they've been in the works some time. >> they were absolutely silent. my point. >> when it came to spending the first coal health of the country. >> to bring it could current day, instead of going through the history, which i appreciate. right now we see that the discussion is back on potentially eliminating tax loopholes, lowering the corporate rate, which i am a big fan of and also part of the paul ryan plan. which was passed. sometimes being, a the speaker of the house can be a little like herding cats. i'm wonderin
on the heels of the most absurd unfunded wars in iraq and afghanistan and unfunded trillion dollar medicare and bills and tax cuts for the wealt wealthy. i, myself, voted for all of this. back to my original point. >> welcome back to "morning joe". the medicare plan was a $7 trillion plan. most republicans have been watching. let's take a look now at the morning papers. the san francisco chronicle and a virtual fallout if congress fails to raise the contract. they took out $5.4 billion in loans, covering the bills in case money stops flowing in from washington. new york times under pressure from democratic colleagues, seven term representative, david wu said he would resign from congress following accusations of inappropriate sexual encounters last year. she was much, much younger. before the allegations, he was politically vulnerable. two others were going to challenge him. they have been talking about this going back to college, possible rape charges from his time in stanford. drivers in l.a. may regret paying ticket violations from traffic cameras. they admitted paying the fines is volun
-- i know you've been hearing this morning about the troops in afghanistan who are worried about being paid. how close are we to default really, and what do you say to those people who are concerned? i know you have constituents that certainly will be affiliated with the military. what do you say to them, they think their families won't get the paychecks they need. >> well, we're not going to default. that's number one. and even if we did, social security and the military are going to get paid. so what i say is don't worry, this is going to be solved. this is a political problem of people wanting to have it their own way. now, you know, you simply can't govern this country this way. you have to have people of good will that will come together as the good book says, come, let us reason together. you can't stick in your ideological stance in your partisan stance, you've got to come together for the good of the country, and that will happen somewhere in the course of tonight and into tomorrow. >> and, sir, i know that you could probably very easily finger point to members on the extreme o
at the white house yesterday.t( sergeant petri lost his hand saving two fellow soldiers in afghanistan is only the second livingq servicemane1 to receive1 honor since the vietnam war. >>> now for a look at your national weather, we turnxt. nc meteorologist bill karinsxd wit your weather channel forecast. bill, good morning to you. >> gogbmorning, lynn. >> a lot of people have their eyes glaring ought going, tell me, buddy, tell me something is going to changed. >> as advertised, we thought it would be the hottest day of the summer, and it was. good morning, everyone. today, a little better in some areas, but still oppressivelyt( hot through many. the temperaturesok didn't tell e story becauseñ1 the humidity levels were so high. ownsboro, kentucky, you had the dubious honor of 120 after factoring in the humidity. 00 in rally, is 00 ine1t( jacks air cold front hasxd sagd to the south. so we're taking o-tbe1 new york1 d.c. anzdçó baltimore and ph/,e from the extreme heat today. dryer air is moving in. still hot, but not as humidity. same will go for all of kentucky, the ohio valley. the areas
in iraq and afghanistan. what they need to look at specifically is with the promise of doing tax reform in the fall through december what is the guaranteed tax reform gets done and there is new revenue. you eluded to it. republicans say if democrats don't keep up their end of the bargain we get rid of president obama's individual mandate. democrats say we get rid of the bush tax kults 250 or above. they're working on the trigger mechanism. it's going to take many differentists and turns. it's looking like wednesday is the closest thing we've heard all along in this process that a firm deadline needed to work out the compromise. >> luke, some exclosive issues in that mix. this is going to be a really interesting negotiation to follow. >> a long way to go, andrea. there's still a long way to go. next week's the real crunch time. we'll have a fun weekend. >> thank you, luke up up on the hill for us. senator kent conrad chairs the budget committee and is a member of the gang of six and joins me now senator, your colleagues have been exploding over the secrecy of this. you can say nothing is
everything necessary to protect you. >> before heading to baghdad, panetta visited afghanistan where he met with the country's leaders and u.s. troops and commanders. >>> a horrible tragedy to talk about has led to the controversy in madison, wisconsin, as police investigate the deaths of two young children. investigators say that the bodies of two kids were found inside of the car, and now we are hearing that an amber alert was never issued for the two missing kids even though the mother says she did. michelle sigona is live in washington, d.c. with the latest on this. michelle, walk us through the story here if we are hearing what happened correctly that the parent did report the kids missing, why wasn't the amber alert issued? >> well, that is correct. i had an e-mail conversation with the madison, wisconsin, police department, and they said they did consider initially issuing the amber alert, but unfortunately, they had to take a lot of fac tors into consideration. they didn't believe at first it was an abduction because the boyfriend had helped to pick up the children from the father a
petteri will be receiving the medal of honor because he had a gun to his head in afghanistan. he was asked to do something for his country, let's ask these people in washington to do something for their country. just get together and get something done. >> you know, there is huge news out of afghanistan this morning that we're going to get to as well as rupert murdoch and his media empire. what's going on with that. >> this is extending, by the way, to "the times" of london? >> yes, the big story. >> the other players, this is earth shattering. i thought the big thing -- i thought it was about one tabloid. whew. this is so serious. >>> ahead this morning, we're going to bring in the ranking member of the budget committee, congressman chris van hollen. and oil tycoon t. boone pickens will be here. eugene robinson. >> by the way, on that story, i mean, they're not tapping the phones of the british prime minister, but they're -- they're trying to get his records -- >> may be an institution that has rot on the the core. it is a big problem. >> medical records. >> bank accounts. >> after the br
and afghanistan, is inconsistent with his muslim beliefs. at first the military wasn't buying the argument, but ultimately the pentagon said he's right, he should be discharged from the military and he was just about to leave when authorities say they found several items of child pornography on his computer. so that stopped his discharge. he was almost out of the army, but when they found evidence of a crime, they kept him in the military so that they can prosecute him in the military justice system, and that's what put a hold on his discharge. he'd had a hearing. he went awol, wound up in texas. went to the gun store where he bought smokeless powder which is gunpowder basically, a component in bombs, and authorities say when they went to his motel room in ft. hood, texas, they found the makings of basically two time bombs, smokeless powder. they say he was in the process of taking shotgun shells apart to get the shot out. the little metal pellets, which apparently he was going to use as shrapnel in the two bombs that he would have built in pressure cookers. so, instead of being pipe bombs
of his bipartisan awards, actually. i was pretty proud of that. >> let's talk about afghanistan, one of the hot wars and the fact that we had the bombing, the attack against the intercontinental in kabul which is a real signal from the taliban and network they can go to a target right in the heart of the capital. if the karzai forces we've been training up can't defend -- they responded well in the emergency, we're told, but if they can't respond in kabul, isn't that a signal it's going to be a long haul, and maybe there is no legacy end of the tunnel? >> i think the reset of our afghan policy last week by the president was correct. i think it was long in coming. i was never a fan of the surge or the counterinsurgency doctrine. karzai is not a willing partner. last week this mumbai style shooting attack, it could have been worse. i would give the afghans a little credit, but it was staged by the hakani gnat wornetwork, protected group, protected by the pakistani government. that group comes over the border regularly, kills our troops and obviously now is prepared to shoot at big targ
afghanistan and iraq have fallen from the papers of national news. a group of dedicated war journalist, still putting their live on the day every day to try to keep america and the world inform pd in total, 170 journalists have been killed in afghanistan and iraq since the u.s.-led invasion. now the world's deadliest area to be a member of the press, despite the so-called end of combat operations. and with us now is al jazeera reporter on the ground in iraq. aung irof "hue to avoid being killed in a war zone." the essential survival guide for dangerous places. and rosie, how much of a barrier to cover good war coverage, how much of a barrier to good war coverage has the failure to prepare to cover the war been? >> well, i think that it's the biggest obstacle right now in everything that's going on this year is safety. because, really, that's the only obstacle. there is so much news out there, and whether we can actually get to it is the biggest problem. >> if we are not able to cover these wars, what do you see as being at risk? if the people of the world don't have this information, what's a
behind, the war in iraq, some said don't try to build a nation in afghanistan. stop spending all this money. when the democrats came in in 2009, they increased every department 10%. if it's 25% the feds are taking and the 12 to 15 the state and local are taking. that's why they are all cutting back. >> pat, pat, pat -- >> you will drive this economy deeper into recession if you put $1 trillion in taxes on it. >> pat, i don't disagree with cutting spending. i'm trying to tell you 70% of how we got into this problem was spending and 30% was cutting spending that we wouldn't afford. it happens to be 70% spending reductions. 30% tax increase. >> this is one place i agree with krugman. mike barnicle should be in this. jobs are the thing. we have to create jobs. how does hammering business with $1 trillion in tax increases when government is going down in size, they created the only jobs. john heilemann. >> just as point of fact -- was about letting part of the bush tax cuts expire after 2012. that's where the revenue is going to come. no tax increase in 2011 or 2012. it was raising ta
'm prepared to have. as you know, we are spreading democracy around the world to places like afghanistan. here is what it looks like in afghanistan. a parliamentary brawl between two women. one in support of karzai, the other not in support of him. get the shoe up there. the other gets a water bottle. they watch them brawl before anyone steps in. it's a fine start. it's a young democracy. here is how you really want to do a parliamentary brawl. we have taiwan. that's pretty good. >> i remember this one. >> how about ukraine. >> oh, furniture. >> they kick down the door. chairs are going to fly there. >> do we have a winner? >> georgia. georgia. that's nice. that's a good one. there's a chair. you always want to get a chair involved. it's a city council meeting. how about south korea. let's do one more. look at him holding his ground. holding his ground. >> okay. ridiculous. what is your point here, willie? >> i don't have a point. >> we used to have good brawls. >> footage or re-enactment. >> a waste of time. >> did you hear about the picasso that was stolen? >> what happened? >> he steals a 1
, there's a pattern in that we have reached a tipping point. we saw it with afghanistan. and iraq in terms of the timetable. when are we getting out. we saw it in the compromises on the bush tax cuts. we have seen this pattern in which democrats are put in the position to having to be the adults in the conversation, and trying to hold things together, and now we are back at that point. if you look at that pattern of concession and then compromise to the middle, and the democrats having to bear the burden politically for those decisions, it might be a trial balloon, but there is a pattern that indicates that social security and medicare are on the table. and that is why we reacted the way we did. this shouldn't be on the table. we have reached a no mass point here. that democrats should never support this. we have to be solid and independent, regardless of what those negotiations with the administration produce. >> in terms of what you described there as bearing the political burden here, that is one of the strategic questions that i have. and this may be clearer to you from washington than
of honor recipient. >> willie, so many guys that have been in that situation, iraq and afghanistan and you are involved in helping some of them. we met some of them a couple weeks back. >> yes, a group called operation men. guys severely burned in ied explosions. the thing that strikes you with them and staff sergeant petry, they want to go back. >> they all want to go back. >> they want to get back and be with their brothers. sergeant petry eight deployments. he went back after losing his hand. he went back to fight. >> we have been talking, not just this morning but days on end about what's going on in washington with the debt ceiling. sergeant petry just said something about the men and women he served with having their bodies stole from them. it's an exact quote. they have something else stolen from them. it's full recovery. it's assistance for traumatic brain injuries down the road for decades to come. we have to pay for these things. >> we do. >> they better bear down in washington, 10% as much as sergeant petry, bear down. >> it's going to be a long, long haul for the young men and
to the war in afghanistan. he's given on taxes. he mised a huge opportunity in my opinion there. why can't the republicans just open their minds a little bit, give a little bit. go back on a commitment to make something happen. >> obama is wrong. >> he's not wrong. >> he had a $780 billion stimulus. the $700 billion tarp, three deficits for $1.5 trillion. we have the fete pumping in $600 billion. it hasn't worked. and so it hasn't -- if it hasn't worked, cohen calls this a cult. the cult won 63 seats. six months ago. what happened to his party. >> thankfully we didn't listen to republicans on the carr industry without the investment the american people made, we would have lost gm, chrysler, ford, and lost our ability on the global stage too. thank god we ignored the republicans when it came to saving the financial system without it. it was the right thing to do for them to pay them back. but what i want to know, ray torically, is where was the team party when bush ran the debt up. they were absent. this isn't as much political as it is substance. i don't doubt they have considerable repu
are not helpful to them. we have an iraq war, which is still there, an afghanistan war that has been beefed up, what's good tweeter, twitter, tweeting. >> not just that, chris, but a lot of the appeal about president obama in 2008 was he was new and fresh and gave a chance to americans to write history. that happened. how do you make history twice, the answer is you don't. he has to find a way to fire up the base once again. ultimately, his message if the economy doesn't improve is the other guys will make it worse. look at their policies and views. >> john, you're key. i want to end it with that note. it's brilliant. it's about the next four years, it's not the blame game. who do you have confidence in to lead the country out of the situation we are now. thank you so much jonathan and alex wagner for tutoring me rather crudely. let me finish with -- we're going to have a birthday tribute to nancy reagan for the reasons she was a moderating force on that man next to her. you're watching "hardball." >>> let me finish with a birthday tribute to an american who made a difference. her name is nanc
involved murdered teenagers and the children of families who lost loved ones in afghanistan and iraq. but for the moment, thank you very much indeed, vicky ward. >> thank you, marlin. >>ly stick around here in london to talk to dylan ratigan as ezra picks things up at the headquarters in new york. stay with us. specialists, lots of doctors, lots of advice... and my hands were full. i couldn't sort through it all. with unitedhealthcare, it's different. we have access to great specialists, and our pediatrician gets all the information. everyone works as a team. and i only need to talk to one person about her care. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with a
continue to spend tens and tens of billions of dollars in iraq and afghanistan, over a hundred million a year, pour be money into corruption that doesn't help. they can't find 150 or 200 million to regulate derivative. today, this afternoon, a few hours ago, they voted in committee and i think people will be astonished by this. to reduce the legal liability we try to put on the rating agencies. the rating agents are a big part of this problem. paid by the people who are issuing the security and they gave me outlandishing favorable ratings that turn out to be accurate. we said, if you put a rating into a perspective, if i said to you, sharpton, can you guy this and here is what moody's or standard & poor's said about that, they say no -- >> they just voted to repeal that so you can't vote for having misinformation on that? >> it would be much harder. you have to show, al, that they were knowingly reckless. the fact that they were dead wrong, sloppy, careless and you put your money in and bought something worthless, that won't let you do it. you have to -- go through all kinds of directi
the economy was -- but really, we have the sound bite. >> susan page, remember the comment about afghanistan during the debate. it feels like it's almost as if we're going to find out, well, he misspoke. well, that's -- you know, right now, this is not hurting him too much but over time, this could accumulate. >> going right to a core vulnerability for mitt romney. all the flip-flops we saw last time around on social issue. he cannot afford to be someone as changing positions. if michele bachmann said something -- >> susan page, eugene robinson, richard wolff. we're coming back. you get to say something right after the break. i promise. >>> this is "hardball." two segment analysts. only on msnbc. okies goodbye. new newtons fruit thins. real blueberries and blueberry brown sugar... crispy whole grain. newtons fruit thins, one unique cookie. challenge that with olay regenerist night elixir. its gentle glycolic formula resurfaces at night for the smooth skin of a light chemical peel. sleep tight. regenerist, from olay. >>> the republican presidential field is adding yet another candidate. five-
of the wars in afghanistan and pakistan. >> still not getting serious. >> i went away from fuzzy. >> is that like jerry at trick math? >> yes. >> are you surprised they don't have a deal today? i actually really -- i mean, i really thought -- >> i would be shocked if they don't have a deal in the next two or three days. again, republican freshmen may have a big ideology difference with barack obama and his world view, and the divide is no greater than ronald reagan's was with tip o'neal in 1983 when they sat down, and they did a kneel. yes, you differ with barack obama and the democrats, but -- >> usually you are good at seeing somebody's angle. like you know what their angle was. what is the angle here? i don't get it. >> these republicans believe this is their only opportunity -- >> are they so stuck to the contract with the tea party they cannot think outside the box for the good of the country? seriously? >> can i finish? you asked a question and i need to finish. they understand one thing. >> what do they understand? >> they are dead right about this. this is their best chan
, but they have their own leadership structures in each country. even if we get rid of al qaeda in afghanistan or pakistan, we won't simply wipe it out in every country this is an organization that will be with us for decades, one way or another. what we have to do is try to minimize the threat as much as possible and there are positive signs that we're moving in that direction. >> okay. evan kohlman, always sobering, thank you for bring to us. >>> and lawmakers very close to an agreement. but a white house senior adviser says no deal yet. more twists in the road ahead, and we'll tell you why. overhe south pific in 1943 vietnam, 1967. i got mine in iraq, 2003. u.s.a.a. auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation, because it offers a superior level of protection and because u.s.a.a.'s commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. u.s.a.a. we know what it means to serve. dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic center recommends the custom-fit orthotic that's best for your tired feet. foot-care scien
the top military commander arrived in afghanistan on an unannounced visit reassuring leaders thereafter a string of high profile attacks and assassinations. here at home the obama add 3i7b strags struck a deal with u.s. auto makers to more than double fuel efficiency standards it 54.5 gal miles a gallon by the year 2055. >>> a dismal week on wall street as washington wrestled with the debt ceiling debit and new reports showed anemic economic reports over the last six months. now back it "hardball." now back to "hardball." >>> welcome back to "hardball." watching the battle on capitol hill these past few weeks. outside interest groups have also been eager to throw stones at their opponents in this debt fight. millions of dollars spent on ad buys attacking the president, but if the country defaults and the economy suffers, don't the president's re-election chances suffer as well? eugene robinson is an nbc political analyst and an associate editor and columnist at "the washington post" as well as an msnbc analyst. >> the fact is if good things happen when you're president then you get more
to save $2 trillion over the next ten years there's a simple way to do it, end the wars in afghanistan and iraq and now libya. we spent $157 billion on that last year. >> if that's your scale where do you put the president? >> the president can speak for himself. i'm not the president's press secretary, but i will tell you this, i would not vote to cut social security. i would not vote to cut medicare and i think the democrats at least should pledge to do the same. i'd like to see the democrats stand up and say -- >> if you were in congress and the president's ear and the caucus and you're talking to the leadership, to nancy pelosi, what would you tell them? >> i would tell them to concentrate on what matters in the lives of americans. we have 22 million americans who can't find full time work. we have 50 million americans who can't see a doctor when they're sick. we have about 30 million american families who owe more on their mortgage than the value of their home. they owe more than they own. let's concentrate on those problems and not obsess over what the budget deficit might or mig
found out that his son, james, who died in afghanistan in 2006 may have had not only his cell phone tapped into by the "news of the world" but also his e-mail. >> they hacked into a dead soldier. it's despicable. what else can you say? what on earth did they think they were going to find? >> reporter: in words of the prime minister, people trust the police to protect them. politicians to represent them. and press to inform them. and, he says, the british public has been failed by all three. >> we're now hearing that ru period of time murdock will fly into the u.k. tomorrow as this scandal threatens to spread. to spread to the united states where one of his most senior executives now runs dow jones in new york, but used to run the operation here, and possibly to spread to other newspapers. it is no exaggeration to say that this scandal threatens british tabloid journalism as we know it. >> okay. kier simmons, lots on the line here. thank you very much, from london. >>> independence day for the youngest nation in the world. tens of thousands of people turned out to celebrate south sud
a suicide bomber, an attack came at a mosque in afghanistan southern city of kandahar killing four people including the head of the provincial religious council. >>> hillary clinton went for turkey this morning meeting with senior officials for more than 40 countries. the meeting is the first stop on a 12-day diplomatic tour and comes after secretary clinton said wednesday that libyan leader moammar gadhafi's days in power of "numbered." heard that before. >>> new york congressman peter king, chairman of the homeland security committee in the republican controlled house calling for an fbi probe in the news corporation after revelations the british tabloid "news of the worlds" tried to hack information from 9/11 victims. he joins democrats in the senate who called yesterday for the gist is department and the sec to investigate. this comes as british authorities arrested the tabloid's former executive editor and parliament issued summons to rupert murdoch, his son james and former "news of the world" editor rebecca brooks. >>> and officials invist no warning in mumbai's attack. today the go
international service members were killed in a bombing this morning in eastern afghanistan according to nato officials. this as general david petraeus officially hands over the command of the u.s. mission there to general john allen today. hospital officials are denying a weekend report that ousted egyptian president hosni mubarak had a major stroke and was in a coma. according to egyptian state news, doctors say mubarak is in stable condition, ahead of his august trial date. >>> and a big happy birthday to nelson mandela who turns 93 today. the u.n. and mandela's organization are calling on people every to perform 67 minutes of community service in honor of his 67 years in community service. >>> and a stunning ending to last night's world cup final as japan beat the u.s. japan came from behind twice to score two goals each. the win was an emotional one from japan, which is still recovering from the devastating earthquake and tsunami back in march that left over 20,000 dead or missing. was quite the match, i have to say. even riveted me, who is usually a soccer negatory guy. >>> anyway, new
, oh, maybe this was to do with al qaeda, revenge on norway's role in afghanistan and libya, but then it turned out it was a tall, tall blonde norwegian who has been arrested as we must stress, again, as the suspect, although apparently this man was shooting throughout 20 minutes on the island and was picked up and was stopped by the norwegian swat team. it seems pretty convincing. he is at this stage still just a suspect. yeah, a nation -- absolutely a nation in shock. they can't believe it. everyone is saying this is such a peaceful country. the land of the nobel peace prize and all that stuff. now they're looking at themselves again and wondering what happened to their country. >> okay. martin fletcher, we will be speaking with you again. many thanks for the report. >>> the brutal heat wave continues to grip much of the country. how people are coping next. ♪ i used to see the puddles, but now i see the splash. ♪ i wanted love, i needed love ♪ ♪ most of all, most of all... ♪ helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three st
are not really new but simply counting the saving from the wind down of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. senate republicans say reid was with them on a two-step increase process, but that the white house shot that down. and the white house says it's all up to boehner to find a way forward. now, pressure is mounting, so is anxiety over the markets. here's white house chief of staff bill daley on "meet the press" yesterday. >> we are now getting to a point where i think markets around the world will question whether the political system in washington can come together and compromise for the greater good of the. >> country. >> the new fear. a downgrade in america's credit rating even if a debt creeling is raised. if only for six or nine months if it looks like washington can't figure out a long-term debt and deficit issue. by the way, something else going on here. the white house is basically out of the talks. harry reid is proxy for the white house. there isn't much communication going on between house republicans and the white house. it looked like yesterday morning that might not be the case. r
? >> they call this divine punishment. they say that's for norway being involved in afghanistan and for defaming the prophet mohammed, et cetera, et cetera. there's been so much damage done. who will look at this and try to copycat this? are there other people out there who are going to look at this and say, hey, it worked. we can do this. let's do it again. >> how does this translate in terms of the kind of security we need to take here in the u.s.? >> i can tell you right now that law enforcement in this country is looking very seriously both at the kind of targets that were targeted here, and more importantly, what right wing extremist groups in in country are planning. if you remember just a few years ago, there was this whole had you been loo over monitors the right wing extremists. there are extremists of all dircht flavors. just because you believe in one thing or another doesn't make you less deadly. >> thanks so much for coming in. appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >>> still ahead next hour, how same-sex marriages in new york are creating a bumper crop of wedding business. >>> th
with iraq and afghanistan. the projected costs over eight years, less than $1.5 trillion. for for him to say the bush administration didn't create the deficit is hog wash. for martha mccallum to say that we shortchange the veterans. we could fight more wars is outrageous psychotalk. house republicans shut down the faa while they fight to destroy workers' rights. do you know what the number is? almost 100,000 jobs are at risk but airlines are raking in the profits. [ thomas ] my sophomore year, i was pretty confused, didn't really know what i wanted to do. didn't like high school. and then i met my teacher, mr. mccooey, and that click happened. i would never have even thought about going into the engineering field if it wasn't for these ap classes, these teachers and them helping me realize that this is a major calling in my life. ♪ i didn't always know that i would like math, but now i think it'll change my life. >>> coming up, a discussion about the working folk of america. the faa shutdown is costing taxpayers millions of dollars and it is killing jobs. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk
ceiling snowdown. the handover in afghanistan today. and more trouble with pakistan. we'll talk to the intelligence chair. still ahead, uk hacking scandal claims another top official at scotland yard. send me your thoughts on twitter. this is "andrea mitchell this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement, available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car is totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? >>> you're watching live pictures of the rose garden. th
with the military for fighting in iraq and afghanistan." >>> new jersey governor chris christie left the hospital last night after being treated briefly for asthma. the governor says he experienced shortness of breath and lied headedness. it didn't take long for the question of a president's run to come up, of course. let's listen. >> if i decided i want to run for president, i think you know me, charlie, i'd do it, and if there were people who don't think i'm up to it, they ought not vote for me, but we're not at that stage at the moment, so i don't have to worry about it. >> every time i hear him talk about this campaign i swear it sounds like he's looking for a way to run. not a way to not run. hamlet, move over. >>> in a prime example of art imitating life, a spy novelist. major shifts in his story. the product, a riveting and very relevant new book called portrait of a spy. the author, here again. daniel silva. first of all, congratulations. "wall street journal" best-seller. number one. >> number one. >> it will catch up. >> they don't count as well as our financial guys at the "wall street
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